which is where i agree with you. This is about safe space. if my precense ther makes it unsafe, by definition its not a safe space.
so what your saying is tou want 'cis' women only space - thats fine with me
As strength to your bow may a give an example of this from trans community. I remember when the london FTM group would include Drag Kings but specifically excluded me despite my being a Drag King because i hadn't been designated female at birth.
I thought it a bit ironic but i could see the point
On the other hand i objected pretty violently when another ex of mine claimed that i couldn't do drag king since it for me was transitioning back not a radical performance, that in effect only if you had been designated female at birth could you be a drag king
I think you can see the difference, in the first case this is about excluding to create a safe space that people can talk and the second is about discrimination and the policing of others.
Mind you being in a safe space doesn't make it safe i was horrendously hurt in a trans only safe space at last years UK BiCon
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Date: 2012-04-19 07:54 am (UTC)so what your saying is tou want 'cis' women only space - thats fine with me
As strength to your bow may a give an example of this from trans community. I remember when the london FTM group would include Drag Kings but specifically excluded me despite my being a Drag King because i hadn't been designated female at birth.
I thought it a bit ironic but i could see the point
On the other hand i objected pretty violently when another ex of mine claimed that i couldn't do drag king since it for me was transitioning back not a radical performance, that in effect only if you had been designated female at birth could you be a drag king
I think you can see the difference, in the first case this is about excluding to create a safe space that people can talk and the second is about discrimination and the policing of others.
Mind you being in a safe space doesn't make it safe i was horrendously hurt in a trans only safe space at last years UK BiCon