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[rozk]

In a puff piece about Sheila Jeffreys' new book here , Bindel cheerfully accepts Jeffreys' claim that heterosexual marriage is closely related to prostitution. She also uncritically accepts Jeffreys' claim that 5% of the Netherlands' GDP is prostitution-related; if you read further, it is clear that Jeffreys regards any economic activity in which prostitution has any role as totally implicated. Thus, taxi-drivers, and presumably other forms of transport, move prostitutes and punters around and are so profiting from the sex industry. I'd call this shoddy research, and even shoddier scholarship, but I am hopelessly biased against both women...

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[oursin.livejournal.com]

Don't get me started on Sheila Jeffreys' 'research'! She repeatedly gets characterised as 'a historian' when she is nothing of the kind. (Maybe I'm prejudiced by having had to expend entirely too much wordage in books and articles actually addressing the whomping great holes in and bias of her arguments.)

I also noted that Jeffreys/Bindel included female-owned and friendly sex shops (e.g. Beate Uhse) under the heading of sex trafficking. Some of these things are not like others of these things.

[shewhomust.livejournal.com]

So Jeffreys' income from publication is also prostitution-related?

[paulathomas.livejournal.com]

Now correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't that also apply to JB's income for the articles she wrote reviewing this book and for the Poppy Project. OH wait a minute that, by Jeffrey's logic extends to all JB's income as part of it is...

I haven't read enuf of the woman to have an informed opinion

[dmsherwood53.livejournal.com]

But the example you quoted seems almost a parody of economic analysis. By that method i can prove the whole economy is a false mask for hamberger stands. The streets are there to provide a place to put your hamberger stand ;the police are there to make it safe to run a hamberger stand; people have jobs in order to afford hambergers. But I labor the point.

Re: I haven't read enuf of the woman to have an informed opinion

[purplecthulhu.livejournal.com]

But since (some) prostitutes eat (some) hamburgers it's all prostitution.

Superficial

[dmsherwood53.livejournal.com]

But since some RC priests get serviced by Prostitutes AND eat Hamburgers its all part of the Roman catholic's conspiracy to take over the world !!!!!

Re: Superficial

[purplecthulhu.livejournal.com]

But since some roman catholic priests are gay, it's all part of the gay conspiracy to make everything pink!!!!!!!!

I think I'll stop now before the black helicopters come to take me away...

Re: Superficial

[wild-irises.livejournal.com]

Oh, don't stop yet! You left out the Mormons. And the Scientologists. And and and.

Re: Superficial

[purplecthulhu.livejournal.com]

Hmmmm .... maybe the black helicopters are being flown by a mormon pilot and a scientologist co-pilot... And as for the ground crew...!

Re: Superficial

[dmsherwood53.livejournal.com]

Too Late your name is already on a death List; you have 3 day to set your affairs in order

[steepholm.livejournal.com]

One thing I don't understand about Bindel's friendly attitude towards Jeffreys is that SJ was the person who famously argued that, on political grounds, "all feminists can and should be lesbians" (I quote from Bindel's earlier article on her). Yet, when the existence of political lesbians was alluded to recently she threatened to sue the alluder for libel. Isn't there some kind of mismatch there?

[steepholm.livejournal.com]

"she threatened to sue the alluder for libel"

"she" here being Bindel, not Jeffreys, of course.

[rozk.livejournal.com]

Dr Johnson says in his edition of Shakespeare that to pick all the holes in Cymbeline| that it is possible to pick is 'to waste criticism on unresisting imbecility, upon faults too evident for detection and too gross for aggravation'.

[steepholm.livejournal.com]

He wasn't wrong. But at least Cymbeline has some good poetry, and a rare puff for Milford Haven.

[bunnyhug.livejournal.com]

I've been asked to review this book for an academic journal in a rather conservative country (the editor knows where I stand on these issues) and I'm not sure how to do this without being totally vitriolic.

[paulathomas.livejournal.com]

I would concentrate on the numbers. See any of Ben Goldacre's columns in the Guardian to see how to do this. http://www.badscience.net is Goldacre's blog and includes all his articles. But then I would say that.

[bunnyhug.livejournal.com]

Thanks. I'm still waiting for the book. I used to do research with sex workers in Canada so I am curious to see if she has mentioned our work and how.

press the mute button on your consience

[dmsherwood53.livejournal.com]

& go with the Flow

[paratti.livejournal.com]

That's not even in the ballpark of sound econometrics.

[bunnyhug.livejournal.com]

Roz, in case you haven't heard about this:
A Feminist Perspective on the Transsexual Debate

Friday 5th December 2pm-5pm, The School of Law, Manchester Metropolitan
University, M16 6HB – just off Oxford Rd.

Julie Bindel, Guardian Journalist, nominee for the Stonewall Journalist of
the Year 2008, author of “Women Overcoming Violence and Abuse”, and “The
Map of My Life: The Story of Emma Humphreys”

Dr. Susan Stryker, Women’s Studies, the University of Illinois, Visiting
Professor, Harvard University, Author of “The Trans Studies Reader”, and
“Transgender History”

Chair: Prof. Stephen Whittle, MMU School of Law, author of “Respect and
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[oatc.livejournal.com]

So, in the cause of a nice academic event, including no one with actual experience of the hateful actions engendered by the ideas Bindel perpetuates, PFC concedes there is a debate? Divvies.

[mckennl.livejournal.com]

Once she happily conflated the selling of performing a sexual act with someone for money with "selling women's bodies," I had such a flashback to the sex wars of the 1980s in America that I thought I was wearing shoulder pads and fingerless gloves for a minute.