Oh well, I suppose I need to post...

[rozk]

BSG is a version of that anxiety dream that goes on and on. The one about travel, where you have too much luggage, and the train is leaving from the wrong platform, and the corridors in the airport terminal go on forever, and the Underground lines are not as you remember them and the escalators keep on going down. I am starting to think that at least one possibility is that everyone died in the mini-series and this has all been their death-dream...

OK a few points. Fine writing never makes up for nonsense. I do not believe that New Caprican foxes are strange mutant foxes that fight dogs or commit suicide by swimming out to sea; I think they get torn to shreds by overwhelming force like other foxes. In which case, Bill's speech and Saul's take on it are emo bollocks.

I do not believe in an atomic war that rendered every single square yard of a whole planet uninhabitable, and yet was done with nukes sufficiently low-yield that quite close to ground zero a recognizable part of a guitar has survived for two thousand years, along with jacks that look factory fresh.

I do not believe in KrispyKara that still has recognizable blonde hair.

I am oddly literal and strange and all this makes entire emotional sense, while being pretty silly at some others.

If you can mass produce 12 Cylons - but see below - running off single copies of Kara is a doddle. And someone obviously did this, and duplicated everything about her including her dog-tags. Also, somehow KrispyKara was somehow got from the heart of a storm to Earth, dead - so someone is shipping bodies and ship parts around, or teleporting them.

If Ellen is the Fifth, there are more than 12 cylons. I have had concerns about this for some time, since the opera house had five figures in the balcony, but six glowing banners on stage to go with them.

They found three habitable planets and OK one of them blew up and one of them was a bit marginal and one of them was taboo. But there are places to go in this universe and they just have to keep looking...

Presumably one of the first things that happens next week is that Saul says to D'Anna, so, it's Ellen. And she goes, umm, yes, and he punches her on the nose. For not telling him instantly.

Or she says, no, no, that's not who I meant at all. And he says, well, what the frak did I just see in my vision then?

And Tory and Anders were an item in another life. Sure, we believe that?

Bill, it is all about you. The Cylons built Saul specially to be your imaginary friend.Sure they did.

About the only people I am currently feeling respect for are Kara, who knows when to destroy evidence: Lee, master of spin; Baltar, who has suddenly worked out a way of telling Cylon skeletons from human skeletons without telling us what it is; and Tigh, who is awesome.

Were the Centurion head-pieces Centurions from the original show?

And so on.

It was an episode about which I felt a bit meh! which may turn out to have set up interesting stuff or may be the point at which we started to feel that we had been sold a pup after all...I shall be here for the ride. Of course I will, even if the platforms really are in the wrong place.

Meanwhile Grey's though it has gone slightly breaking my heart crappy, had awesome awesome Meredith being totally hardcore.

Comments

[annafdd.livejournal.com]

You know, it makes sense that there be 13 cylons, since there are 13 colonies.

Alex pointed out that this of course is not OUR Earth, and I said that Bob Dylan must get around more than I thought.

I also have a crazy sense of respect for Dee as well.

[drjon.livejournal.com]

"KrisyKara"? Bwahahaha! You'll burn in hell for that one...

Still, who's to say it's not KrispyKara who is the KloneKara?

The writers are pretty adamant (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html) [SPOILERS FOR 4.11] that Ellen's the final Cylon, and it's not a trick (wherein they discuss the Swimming Fox story as well). And they also say she's who D'Anna was saying "I'm so sorry, we didn't know" to in the Temple Dream.

If I was writing it, there'd be a thirteenth. Or Ellen'd be an Aged 6.

The Cylon helmet was a new model to my eyes. Too long to be either a Classic or Modern-Old Centurion.

We've still got the question of Agency of all the weird shit, of course. And is it linked in to the Virtual Models? Baltar's Head 6, Kara's Head Leoben... 6's Head Baltar...

Of course, now we're all suppose to be Cylons, so maybe I'm pulling a Leoben on you... ;}P>

But then there's Dee. Dee who reminded me so much, both in appearance and personality, of a lost love of mine. Dee who always had the same expression of resigned mordant hopelessness floating near her face. Crap, that wasn't a good moment.

[drjon.livejournal.com]

Hmm... [Dee's] first name "Anastasia" is the feminine form of "Anastasius", which means "Resurection" in ancient Greek...

Might-have-beens: Grace Park initially auditioned for the role of Dualla, before being asked to audition for the role of Starbuck...

[hilleviw.livejournal.com]

Dee...passive agressive manipulation even in death. Perhaps especially in death.

[rozk.livejournal.com]

Oh, and who moved KrispyKara and the KaraMobile to Earth from the middle of a storm lightyears away, and who built Kara from bits and memories.

Also, don't forget HeadCat, HeadLeoben and HeadEllen, and HeadPriestess. And is Caprica Six's HeadBaltar the same being as Baltar's HeadBaltar?

I think that there is some suppressio veri and suggestio falsi going on in that article. But we shall see.

[drjon.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure that all the dream appearances of characters are autonomous Head characters. I guess we'll find out soon enough, though. My suspicion is that Head Leoben is of the same nature as Head 6 and Head Baltar (and I think Head Baltar gets around), and the others (like Roslin's Head Elosha) are fantasies, but I'm just guessing.

And I'm absolutely sure that there's suppressio veri and suggestio falsi going on in the article. But I'm pretty sure they're not actually lying, unlike some other prominent Three Letter Acronym folks associated with another show.

What I really want to know is, Who's Number 7?

(You hit the wrong "reply" button, btw)

[heidicullinan.livejournal.com]

Well said. You voiced everything I'd been trying to articulate but had failed to, even just to myself.

Mostly it just seemed terribly disjointed and odd, but I still have hopes it will somehow end beautifully, or something, or not, but no, I'm not interested in looking away yet.

[auntysarah.livejournal.com]

It seems ... likely that there's at least one more humanoid Cylon, yes, because somebody is still around pulling strings, like with the Kara business (Leoben appeared to be genuinely stumped).

Baltar being able to ID the skeletons is not a biggie, methinks, because he now has Cylon help.

Were the Centurion head-pieces Centurions from the original show?

Didn't look like it to me - they seemed to more closely resemble modern centurions.

I think the FF rigged this two thousand years ago, as an insurance policy against/revenge for an apocalypse they feared at the hands of their old enemies, the humans. Assuming Kobol really is the origin (and therefore our "Earth"), I guess the humans there created AI, enslaved them, the AIs got pissed off, rebelled, there was some sort of agreement, but Kobol was left uninhabitable in the process. The humans buggered off to the colonies and the AIs left to find their own homeworld.

...and then one side decided there was unfinished business, only this time it was the humans who launched a pre-emptive attack on the machines, and what we're seeing is just the latest episode of tit-for-tat in a war that has been going on for thousands of years, and which keeps almost annihilating both sides.

I'm sure that's not the full story though - there are loose ends. Kara, Hera, the opera house, did the FF act alone or is someone else pulling the strings? And so on.

I liked the ep - the implied bleakness and despair of the whole situation appealed to me. This is never going to end - they're just going to keep fighting and fighting down the aeons.

[calimac.livejournal.com]

There's no inherent reason there have to be only 12 Cylon models, is there?

I don't know; I gave up on this show when it turned into a "communists under the bed" story.

[ffutures.livejournal.com]

I'll be honest - Ellen as one of the final five seems a bit "so what?" to me. She died two fracking seasons ago!

It hadn't occured to me that the body might be the fake Kara, as someone pointed out, but it seems possible. But what came to mind in this scene was computer games - Kara got killed, so they respawned her character, Raptor, etc. I'm still half-convinced that the whole series is set in a virtual world.

And re the suicide scene - well, that's one way for a cylon to get messages back to the mothership in a hurry...

[auntysarah.livejournal.com]

I'll be honest - Ellen as one of the final five seems a bit "so what?" to me. She died two fracking seasons ago!

I think that's rather the point - the final five may be rather less important to the storyline than previously imagined. They're a plot device for a) making the cylon attack on the colonies happen, and b) getting the fleet to Earth, in order to make the humans understand that this is payback for what they did to the Cylons 2000 years ealier/just the latest blow in a cycle of perpetual tit-for-tat.

And re the suicide scene - well, that's one way for a cylon to get messages back to the mothership in a hurry...

That would rather retcon the whole "destroying the resurrection hub" first half of season four thing...

[sianmink.livejournal.com]

That would rather retcon the whole "destroying the resurrection hub" first half of season four thing...

the resurrection hub only worked for 12-colonies cylons. 13th colony cylons, who the hell knows?

[jennyo.livejournal.com]

I'm more and more worried that this is going off the rails and that possibly the true natural end of BSG was the last episode before the break. And more and more, the asspull nature of the final five Cylon and their essential triviality is more than a little worrying.