Another belief system that frakks people up

[rozk]

Gakked from supergee a wonderful post from Susie Bright about families and religion and Proposition 8.

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[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

Trufax, someone from California just told me that anyone who doesn't live in California should shut the hell up about proposition 8.

What's up with that nonsense?

STFU on Prop Hate

[(Anonymous)]

funnily enough they don't seem to mind all the money and phone calls pouring out of Utah in favour of prop 8.

But it's kinda like all the USians, even on dKos who think that all non-citizens should butt out of their elections cos it's none of our business. Oh how I wish the next President would have no impact on my life.

Re: STFU on Prop Hate

[chaos-rose.livejournal.com]

But it's kinda like all the USians-

Not every American is an ignorant and American-supremacist bozo, thanks.

Re: STFU on Prop Hate

[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I think that given what the last president's been up to and what his policies have affected that international interest in the outcome is definitely reasonable.

[biascut.livejournal.com]

I kind of feel that way. It does seem a bit weird to see UK-based people declaring their commitment to gay marriage when, you know, to all intents and purposes we've already got it here. Of course I don't want to see queer Californians denied the same rights that I have, but I'm personally way more interested in seeing civil partnership in Ireland.

[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

Well, I think that some people are invested in certain issues, and when those issues come up in a high profile way, people keep track of them, even if they're not in the same state or, indeed, even the same country.

OTOH, it helps them believe they're the center of the universe, so maybe that's not a good plan.

[oatc.livejournal.com]

Perhaps if you understood that we do not have same-sex (or non-sexually discriminatory) marriage in the UK, instead something even less than Californian Domestic Partnership, which was declared, by a very careful California Supreme Court judgment, unequal discrimination, it might not seem so "weird".

You should read the court judgment, and the UK parliamentary debates on Civil Partnerships, where it is made very clear that religious views were being perpetuated and equality was not considered.

In Massachusetts, Canada, Spain, Belgium and The Netherlands any consenting adult may marry any other unmarried consenting adult. In the UK, people married in those countries are automatically separated into the heterosexuals who are considered married here too, and the rest, who are consigned to "civil partnership", with quite different rules.

If someone in a marriage or civil partnership in the UK changes sex, the couple have to dissolve that legal relationship and create a new one, before the change of sex can be legally recognised, simply because there are the two, different, non-equal legal arrangements. That's even the case if it's two people both changing legal sex and they'll go from a civil partnership to another civil partnership (not an uncommon situation).

None of that is necessary in places with equal marriage.

[chaos-rose.livejournal.com]

WTF? Every conservative phonebank in the country is stuffing my answering machine and voicemail. Since I have caller ID, I can tell you that I've had calls from Virginia, Colorado, Utah, Florida and Illinois.

[wendyg.livejournal.com]

The out-of-state Mormons are driving everyone nuts, says mine hostess.

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[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

True, although this person (anti-8) wanted everyone to stop talking, and was angry about out of state interests opposing prop 8 as well. I honestly don't think she realized how the religious right fights these battles, but to take it out on people who were on her side was kinda strange.

[flamedancer.livejournal.com]

Its not as if what happens in California will have no effect on the rest of the USA just as a previous post points out that US policy has effects in other countries. Having been the Basic Rights Field Co-coordinator for the No on 36 campaign for Benton County (36 was Oregon's version of Prop 8)I don’t want to see California enshrine unfair treatment of its citizens into its State Constitution the way Oregon did. Certainly not after their high court upheld the non-discrimination clause of the California State Constitution. Sadly thus far there has been no similar ruling in Oregon, which I might add has a more strongly worded equality clause in its Constitution then California. So I have sent money and made phone calls for the No on 8 campaign.
It’s pretty clear that in the USA there are States that would gleefully reestablish Jim Crow if not blocked from doing so by National law. How much more clearly does a case have to be made that there needs to be National law protecting the civil rights of LGBT citizens? That question here of course is redundant. I am just frustrated by the petty voting trends of my fellow Americans. Of course I know that the majority of the World’s citizenry join me in that sentiment.